Rumours: All the contents of the new Space Marine Tactical squad

space marine tactical squadThere’s been a lot of information released about the contents of the new space marine tactical squad. Using this information I’m going to make some highly optimistic predictions about pretty much everything that will appear in the kit.

Sprues

Currently there are 3 sprues in the box. Two identical sprues providing 5 marines each and an addition one the Sargent and special  weapons marine weapons and a Missile Luncher. I had expected this to change. The Space Wolf pack only has two identical sprue’s and I thought they might have done the same with the tactical box, meaning you would have  got at least 2 of everything. However in the last couple of days it’s been confirmed there will be 3 sprues in the box with all weapon options, apart from the Seargent’s combi weapon. That’s a huge number of weapons. It’s hard to imagine how they can fit all this in using the current format of two identical sprues for the 10 marines and one for the options.

Marines and weapons

It goes without saying we should be expecting 10 space marines. Currently you are given one extra shoulder pad, 4 extra heads and an extra torso front. You also get two, chainswords and plasma pitols and tons of bolt pistols. In fact you can build a 5 man assault squad if you really want. To do this you need to give the Sargent a plasma pistol and scanner, one man plasma pistol and chain sword, one man bolt pistol and chainsword and one man 2 bolt pistols. Of course you just need another 5 assault marines to make it legal. This is something I think they might change. If there are all weapon options present, it would mean a Missile luncher, Heavy Bolter, Plasma Gun, Las Cannon, Multi Melta, Flamer, Plasma gun, flamer, plasma pistol, power glove, power sword and or axe. This would be no bad thing as instead of being able to use the box in combination with the assault box set to make a 10 man Assault Squad without jump packs, not the most useful combo. You would now be able to make a devastator squad with a range of weapons  buying two sets would enable you to make 2 Devastator squads with different battle field roles, eg. one with missile luncher/Melta and Las Cannon to go anti tank and one with Heavy bolter and Heavy Plasma/Missle Luncher  for anti troop. Combining one of these boxs with two of the current Devastator squad sets would give you 3 of every heavy weapon and 5 Heavy Bolter, Plasma Cannons and Lascannons, more choice than you could possible want. I imagine you’d end up just like me with some Heavy Plasma and Heavy Bolters at the bottom of your bits box.  Of course all we have is rumours and I’m really surprised they are covering all the heavy weapons in the set. I was expecting them to just do just the free options for the squad, Missile Luncher and Heavy Bolter.

The current Weapon Sprue – look at all the space

More armour variants

If you look at the drawing of the Second Company in Codex Space Marines you get a hint at what the the Design Studio thinks a Space Marine company should look like. In any squad there are more suits of Mk7 than anything else, there are one or two Mk6 and then a scattering of Mk8, Mk5 and Mk4. There are very few Mk2 and 3 suits. Games Workshop have always tended to over use Mk7 armour in the squads. This is probably because they know we like it and will buy it. Remember they did Mk6 sets once and these were retied as they were out sold hand over fist by Mk7 sets.

There are currently 11 torsos and 10 sets of legs in the tactical box set but only 6 cheat plate designs and 3 leg designs. There are two ways GW could increase this. One is by moving the Sargent chest plate and adding a couple more designs onto the marine sprue. One set of rumours suggests there are going to be more Mk8 armour suits if there is a duplicate of the Sargent Mk8 torso this would all make sense. The other way GW could achieve this is by getting rid of the duplicate sprue and making all the models unique.  While this would increase the deigns costs it frees up any space duplicate parts would take up. If they are covering all the weapons in the squads options they will need all the space they can get. The other thing about the tactical squad is that it’s GW most popular box set, across everything they sell. It not hard to understand why when you consider you need 7 for a space marine company and it can be used in every Space Marine army. If they can justify making 3 unique sprues this is the one box set that it would be possible for.

There are also preditions of “goodies” from the Blood Angles, Space Wolves and Dark Angels box sets. Of course there won’t be blood drops or wolf pelts so this must refer to the. Mk 5 style armour helmet in the Space wold set (top left below).

The blood angels box gave us a Mk 3 and Mk 4 helmet.

The Mk4 also appeared in the black templars kits.

So for Helmets I think we will get

  • 2 Mk8
  • 5 Mk7
  • 2 Mk6
  • 1 Mk5
  • 1 Mk4
  • 1 Mk3
Providing plenty of choice and meaning you don’t have to have lots of old armour style heads if you don’t want to.

Torsos

I spoke to one of the designers involved in this new box set at Games Day. He said nothing too definate to me about what would be in the kit but did say they couldn’t make real Mk 8 legs. I’ve included a picture of some Mk8 legs below. The only real difference to Mk7 armour is the little round bits inside the lower leg plate’s ankle joint. This also appears on some Mk3 armour. It’s hard see it on this photo but it’s just about visible on the LOD with a completely black helmet.

We already have Mk8, Mk7 and Mk5 chest plates in the tactical box set. There is a MK6 chest plate on the old space wolf sprue (shown below). It’s surprising they haven’t used this in a another kit since the old Space Wolves box set.

I think/hope we will see this return in the new box set along with a Mk4 style chest plate, which was present in the Blood Angels box set, shown below (right) next to Forge Worlds design (left).

We may see some sort of nod to the Mk3 torso like on the Chronos model, but there might be a full redesign like forge world have done.

So for Torso’s I think we are looking at

  • 2 Mk8
  • 5 Mk7
  • 1 Mk6
  • 1 Mk6
  • 1 Mk5
  • 1 Mk4
  • 1 Mk3
This gives less choice than heads but as cheast plates need more sprue space I expect we will get less.

Legs

Assuming there are 3 unique sprues I expect legs will follow much the same patten. Four different Mk7 sets to be used with Mk8 torso as well, Two different Mk6 posses, Mk5 is going to be a bit tricky to do in plastic. If we do get one it won’t been identical to the Forge World or armour through the ages legs. The studds would need to be moved to allow the mould to release, but it’s not impossible for them to do something.

It should be easy for them to do a set of Mk4 legs. They are easy to make from the current  Mk6 set.

You can even just paint a line across the knee (like I have below).

Sorry I can’t see that they will be able to manage to mould Mk3 legs in plastic. I do think they will do Mk2 though. It doesn’t have as much detail in the places that are difficult to mould.

Therefore for legs I think we should expect

  • 0 Mk8
  • 5 Mk7
  • 1 Mk6
  • 1 Mk6
  • 1 Mk5
  • 1 Mk4
  • 0 Mk3
  • 1 Mk2

This gives you no choice but legs are the lest noticeable part of a model. GW have never put more legs than needed in a kit, with the exception of the devastator set.

Shoulder pads

There are only really 4 different designs of shoulder pads on Power armour

  • overlaping plates,
  • rims,
  • fins, and
  • studs (and plane.)

Over lapping plates was only used on Mk1 armour  and I don’t expect we will see any of that. I expect there will be enough rimmed shoulder pads to do a full squad, then just a hand full of other styles.

Bolters

It’s my hope that they may include a few retro bolter designs.

If they do I expect they will stay away from what Forge World have done and try to cover the designs shown in codex Space Marines. However this would be the first time they would be using old bolters in a new kit so I wouldn’t expect to see a lot of them. Below are some Mk2 and Mk3 bolters. I think we are on Mk4 and Mk5 these days.

space marine tactical squad

Time Scales

Well there has been a lot of noise about this kit, but no release information. The last plastic Codex Space Marine power armour squad to be released was the Devastator Squad, it came out along side Dark Angels back in 4th edition. So it’s not hard to imagine this kit will follow that trend coming out with the next Codex. The next codex is meant to be Dark Angles and it’s due out sometime in the next 6 months or so. April being the last date mentioned although it’s also been rumoured to be November, December, January and February! I take that to mean they just don’t know.

 

Well thats about 1600 words more than I normally write, so I’m getting back to other things. Thanks for reading

Ben

Today’s 40k News – Bunkers are back baby!

It looks like my card bunkers will have to hit the bin (or Rogue Trader display case)- My gaming group will be so disappointed. I’ve come to look forward to all the grief I get every time I put them on the board.  In what looks to be a very Warhammer issue of White Dwarf some of the new fortifications appear to have appeared. We all know games workshop very put anything they can’t sell in White Dwarf so we must conclude these will be on sale very soon.  Hopefully they will fix the broken assets and formations in Apocaylse while they are at it; I can hope. Scroll down for a larger photo. I’ll publish prices as soon as I have some.

 

You can make this photo larger buy clicking on it.

Leigo Astra (Morning Stars) Warhound Titan (scratch built)

I’ve consolidated all the posts I’ve made on my Warhound Titan build so far below. Over 18 months from writing this post I’m still adding to the model. With hind sight I wish I had just put in some over time at work and bought a forge world kit. I don’t re great building this Titan. I’ve just added up the amount of time it took me and worked out I could have bought 2 for the amount of hours involved. Don’t let this put you off if you are thinking of building one yourself. Just consider how you want to spend 60-70 how’s. It’s a lot of painting time. I’ve added a small section about a 12k game I used the Warhound Titan in at the end of the article.
I’ve been a bit quite on Chaptermasters lately so I thought I’d share what I’ve been up to. It look’s like I stand a good chance of getting my scratch built Warhound Titan Fidodominus aka Fido finished in the next week or so. Here are some pics of the build so far. This has been made from the DIY-Warhound-Titan-Plans-Template.pdf you can find on line, if not you can email ben@chaptermasters.com for a copy. I have modified some parts of the design to make my Warhound so your’s may not look the same. I hope yours looks better.

Head and Hull

I started by building a head and Vulcan mega bolter. reasoning these would make good terain if I didn’t get the project finished. These were made from card. I realised card would not be great for hanging PVC pipes from, so I constructed the hull and shoulder pads from foam board. In retrospect a wood or plastic core would have been better.

 

Feet

I made the foot from a core of foam board and made the toes from card. I now regret this as the tows were a bit week to don’t hold the model to the base. I’d like to transfer the Titan to a lower bases but I ended up using so much glue to hold it down I can’t remove it with causing a lot of damage.

Leg

I’ve now made the second foot and have started on the leg. The leg looked good at this stage.

Legs

titan5Once I’d got the second leg made I headed down the the hardware store and bought some pumping pipe joints. I got six sections for £5. These pipes are bigger than the ones on the template but were all I could find. I recommend looking harder if you have time. I used plastic milk bottle tops and metal bottle screw caps tops on the ends of the pipes. I used hair band to hold the foam board while it was setting. Once the pipe had been added I found the foam board jointing to the card foot counldn’t take the weight. Not wanting to had to remake the toes, I reverse the joint to set the legs in a running pose. When joining the leg sections to the plastic pipes I found there wasn’t enough surface left on the foam board to make a good contact with the plastic pipes. It might have been ok if I’d made end on the leg sections but I’d left them hollow? To get around this I covered the ends of the foam board sections with card. This increase the contact with the plastic as it will rap to shape and this held the legs well. However this still isn’t strong enough and I sometimes have to re-glue the legs.
To make the legs a bit stronger I also used what should be a top leg section as the middle piece. I also didn’t like the look of the middle template and wanted to give this Warhound Titan a more dynamic pose.

Given the increased size of the pipes and change in leg sections, the Warhound Tital stands about 2″ than the Forge World model. By tilting the body I’ve got the guns and head to the same height as the Forge World model. At this stage in the build One of the sholder pads has dropped I fixed it later on.

titan4

It’s been a good day on the Warhound Titan. I’ve made two new weapons, the Vulcan mega bolter and plasma blast gun were going to need a bit more time and care than my deadline will allow so I’ve made a couple of turbo laser destructor from £5 worth of pipe and what is left from the foam board. I’ve constructed two exhaust from a peace of plastic cover and some card board. I’ve also used some green stuff to add some details. The green haven’t come out very well. I’m hoping I can tidy them up a bit once they have dried.

I’ve trimmed around the greens, which has sharped them up a bit. I’ve also started to PVA coat all the card board to add some strength. I’ve mixed in black paint with the PVA, partly so I know where I’ve painted and partly to reduce the number of coats of primer it will need.

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Titan8

 

I’m hoping to start painting it green tomorrow.

Ben

I’ve fanaily got to put paint on my Warhound Titan today. I started by spraying a mix of two old Games Workshop green paints, Emeralde and Dark Angel.

I uses a second mix of mid green and light green, to add high lighting with the spray gun. The guns are just resting on the legs in this photo.

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I’ve now gone back over the black parts and started to paint some of the details and glued the guns in place.

I’ve gone over the over spray now and started painting the detail. Skulls, Eagles, leg joints and gaps on the armour plates.

 

I’m playing a game today so will be trying this out as it is before added a bit more paint and details.

Ben

lego astra, leigo astra, liego astra, warhound, morning star, morning starts, leigo astra man, warlord, scratch builtI’m happy to report Fido Dominus did very well in the battle, killing a Demon prince, vaporising 3 Demolishes and stunning a couple of Defilers. What no damage to the Warlord I here you say. No the stearnguard wit  combi meltas, dregnought with multi melta and devastator marines dealt with that making it go super nova in turn 2. This was a bit of a shock to us. We got carried away shooting and lost track of how many structure points were left. The explosion killed about 50 Marines, 10 Guards men, a Drop Pod and Razor Back in the process. Fido did get shot by a squad of 5 Chaos Terminators with at least some  Metla guns, none of which managed to penetrate as they were over 6 inches away.

I’m having a good think about what marking and details I’m going to paint on him now.

40K News today – Bundles

Reports are coming in that there will be some bundles released just in time for Christmas. These are only rumours but I think it’s failey safe to assume they are true.

from Brother Dimetrius over at Warseer got this from a GW (Belgium) facebook
“On the afternoon of Friday 19th October we will be releasing a variety of direct only bundles for Warhammer, Warhammer 40,000 and The Lord of The Rings. These bundles offer our customers fantastic value and are a great opportunity for them to add to their miniatures collections.”

from the Faeit 212 inbox
Hello Natfka,

I have received an update from a source within Games Workshop, an email was sent out to all store managers informing them to advertise these bundles, however this was promptly followed by an update model to abandon this message (It may be noticed that the facebook pages have disappeared), due to a shortage of stock to fulfill these bundles.

It has been stated that we can expect these before the end of Nov 2012.

Regards,
Unforgiven…”

Project Titan Update 1


It’s been a good day on the titan. I’ve made two new weapons, the Vulcan mega bolter and plasma blast gun were going to need a bit more time and care than my deadline will allow so I’ve made a couple of turbo laser destructor from some £5 worth of pipe and what is left from the foam board. I’ve constructed two exhaust from a peace of plastic cover and some card board. I’ve also used some green stuff to add some details. The green hav’t come out very well. I’m hoping I can tidy them up a bit once they have dried.

I’ve trimmed around the greens, which has sharped them up a bit. I’ve also started to PVA coat all the card board to add some strength. I’ve mixed in black paint with the PVA, partly so I know where I’ve painted and partly to reduce the number of coats of primer it will need.

I’m hoping to start painting it green tomorrow.

Ben